Hey Oppo, how much would pay for a new Civic?

"BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion" (pbs) 01/06/2014 at 16:23 • Filed to: None

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Because this is what they cost in Brazil:

The Si, no longer available, used to go for 180 thousand. Too much?

Party-vi > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 16:27

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Jeez. Almost a $10,000 USD premium for a damn base Civic.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 16:28

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$3.00

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/06/2014 at 16:33

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Haha, I'll take that as "Way too much" then.

RaymondStantz > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 16:34

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Needs a diesel, manual, wagon, no A/C, no power steering, etc. all for $14k.

- Jalopnik commentariat

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 16:34

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Would? I dunno, but a base model would cost about $38 thousand US here.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 16:38

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Yeah, i'd be hard pressed to spend more than $3.00 on anything that has a Honda logo on it.

CAR_IS_MI > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 16:41

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I wouldn't 'pay' for a new Civic...

J. Walter Weatherman > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 16:41

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Is it taxes that drive the price up for you guys, or is there something else causing the high prices?

CAR_IS_MI > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 16:44

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Also, I am surprised they sell the "Si" model as the "Si" I know Portuguese and Spanish are similar and I am pretty sure that "Si" translates the same across both languages. So this would be the "Honda Civic Yes", correct?

Apollon > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 16:45

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23,111 USD.

Not that I would pay it.
But this is what a base Civic S (3dr-hatch, 1.4i-VTEC) costs in Germany.
The Executive 1.6i-DTEC can reach up to 55,000USD, the most expensive Civic I could put together.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2014 at 16:57

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Kinda, "yes" in portuguese has an m at the end, so it's "sim", as in Sim City... And The Sims... And that's actually kinda funny now that you mention it, hahah

duurtlang > Apollon 01/06/2014 at 16:59

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I've been comparing the Dutch and German Honda configurator pages. For some strange reason the non-standard paint jobs are €660 in the Netherlands and €480 in Germany. Very odd.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > J. Walter Weatherman 01/06/2014 at 17:00

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Taxes mostly, though some will point out that there's a chance automakers drive their profit margins way up because the people will pay without questioning much.

Still, common sense has it that taxes amount to around 56% of a vehicle's price. Official sources put them at a much lower percent, but in practice, they apply taxes over taxes, so...

CAR_IS_MI > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 17:04

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Obrigado

Drsweetdik > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 17:04

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The government mandated safety standards in Brazil are much lower than in the United States and the manufacturers are building to those lower standards.

I think I will pass.

A 1978 Chevette is probably a bit safer.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > Drsweetdik 01/06/2014 at 17:11

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Oh yeah, there's that as well. I think it was The New York Times that ran an article about it a while ago, claiming that vehicles made in Brazil use thinner sheetmetal and fewer soldering points than their counterpart manufactured in other countries, which led to increased rate of deaths in collisions, even with ABS and Airbagas installed.

EDIT: Also, I just remembered reading a while ago on Car & Driver that chinese cars, increasingly popular in Brazil, are among the less safe vehicles available anywhere because, even though most of them have airbags and ABS as standard, weak steering columns and outdated drum brakes make both systes moot.

Thanks for reminding me of yet another reason to keep driving my italian-built car.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2014 at 17:11

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Sem problemas bicho!

CAR_IS_MI > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 17:14

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Yea thats about the extent of my Portuguese other than a few curse words and telling someone they have a crooked dick (don't ask, all the Portuguese kids in my high school thought they were being clever be calling all the non-Portuguese kids "crooked dicks")

Apollon > duurtlang 01/06/2014 at 17:19

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called rip off. lol.

Seriously, pricing of cars in Europe seems to be fine-tuned for local thresholds. There might be a country where the paintjobs are more expensive, and a country where they cost less. Calculated correctly, Honda gets the average price they intended to take.

It's the same for whole cars, cheaper in the US, more expensive elsewhere... Even before taxes.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2014 at 17:22

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Huh... Crooked dick, now I'm curious as to the exact expression used xD

Apollon > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2014 at 17:23

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You would have to pay the real price after buying a new Civic, day by day, one piece of your soul after another....

CAR_IS_MI > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 17:24

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That would be 'blica torta'

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2014 at 17:28

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Ah, of course... :p

We don't use "blica" in Brazil though, it's "pica" around here. It, huh... may or may not be a derivative of Pikachu. Yeah...

CAR_IS_MI > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 17:31

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Yea I figured there would be some differences in the dialect. I grew up in a community which had many Portuguese immigrants (direct from Portugual, and a few from the Azores), but we also had many Italian immigrants, and being Italian, that was more or less the circle I was in.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2014 at 17:38

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Heh, that's pretty much the population of Porto Alegre. The city itself was founded by Azoreans, and the old city center (which is much, much, much nicer than the crack addled, smog ridden new city center) is still called Azores Plaza, but Italian descendants are pretty much omnipresent around here. In my class only there's a Zanetti, a Milani, and the girl I mentioned earlier has Lucietto Piccinini for a last name. She's pretty much all italian, which probably explains one or two things.

Anyways, there's also a smaller, but still strong germanic population (germanic because it's almost equally german, dutch and danish) which includes yours truly, and a discreet but noticeable nissei presence.

CAR_IS_MI > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 17:40

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Sounds like an eclectic mix. Your festa must be amazing.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2014 at 17:41

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That it is... :)

desertdog5051 > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/06/2014 at 18:04

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That's not all that out of line. Assuming the Real is trading at 2 to 1 against the dollar.